Josh and Kurt talk about the social norms of security. We also discuss security coprocessors and the reasons behind adding them to hardware. Is DRM a draconian security measure or do we need it to secure the future? We also touch on the story of NordVPN getting hacked. The real story isn’t they got hacked, the story is they responded like clowns. The actual problem was one of leadership, there are certain leadership skills you can’t be taught, you can only learn.